Catherine’s negative symptoms are completely gone. She has repeat experiences under trance. The session that opens the chapter is her last for five months. In this session she is training to make religious statues with a strange red substance for the gods who are “angry” and “punishing us” (183). A Master intervenes to tell Weiss that souls wishing to manifest to people in physical form have many options to do so but may “only go to this plane if it is useful […] to go there,” for example if you “leave an agreement that has not been fulfilled” (185).

Catherine floats into the light with its renewing qualities. She notes that she has not yet fulfilled the various debts and agreements accrued throughout her 86 lifetimes. She also explains that “some people access the astral plane through drugs, “but they do not understand what they have experienced. But they have been allowed to cross over” (186). Catherine says that psychic powers such as hers “develop through relationships” (187).

Catherine wonders if more hypnosis would be helpful at this stage, and Weiss agrees that continuing at this point would likely be more for his benefit than hers.